Bernie’s co-op to career journey

Bernie’s co-op to career journey

Student ranger Bernie
[Picture of Student Ranger Bernie and his colleague, Charlie]
 

This is a guest post by Bernard Picard-Friesen, a Program Advisor, Strategy and Engagement Division for the Fish and Fish Habitat Protection Program (FFHPP) for Fisheries and Oceans Canada. Bernard is now part of the co-op hiring team for FFHPP – watch the job board for opportunities to work with him. 

The first co-op interview

It was 2 AM in Pokhara, Nepal and I was still recovering from food poisoning acquired during an ill-advised street meat indulgence. My $6 US per night hotel had an inconsistent electrical connection and I suspect the modem was a potato with some wires and antennae attached. My body was sweaty and shaking – was I just nervous, or was this the feeling of E. coli churning in my tainted gut?

None of this mattered though; I was about to do my first co-op interview. I dialed the 10-digit number provided on the interview invitation and shuffled through my notes while the call connected. It was showtime.

The interview for the BC Parks Student Ranger position went as smoothly as I could have hoped. My electric power never wavered and my 3 interviewers were impressed by my willingness to make the call, despite the planet and 12 time zones situated between us. It didn’t really feel like a choice, though.

Since I began my undergrad I heard the same story from everyone: “If you don’t do co-op you won’t get a job.” I took this advice to heart, but had also seen the evidence of this phenomenon first hand. Some friends went to grad school if they couldn’t find work after their undergrad, while others kept working at the local climbing gym.

Since I was returning to school as a “mature student” and had already missed my chance to establish a career during my early 20’s, I really felt the pressure was on.

The job offer

I had only just returned home to Victoria when I got the call saying I got the gig. Relief washed over me while my new supervisor explained our first assignment: a week at a kid’s Christian summer camp in the interior for Student Ranger training. It was time to repack my bag and start another kind of adventure: instead of trekking through the foothills of the Himalaya I would be navigating the bureaucracy of the BC government …

 

Building skills

Over the next 2 years, my self-assessment of my co-op experience shifted from “fumbling around in the dark” to “I might be getting the hang of this.” Each semester I applied for every job that looked tolerable and that I had any qualification for. Each semester I showed up to interviews with little preparation and hoped that my charm and improv skills would carry me through. Surprisingly, this approach had its downsides; I was advised that quality rather than quantity was the key to success with job applications.

So I changed my strategy and began to really customize my cover letter and resume for each position. I also decided to focus entirely on government work rather than private sector opportunities. This was because I had an ace up my sleeve: my recently declared minor in Public Administration.

Gaining focus

The Public Admin thing was the result of another piece of advice I had received. I was speaking with an older friend of mine who had a well-established career and had bounced back and forth between public and private sector work opportunistically for decades. I was telling her about my university experience so far and my continued doubts about the outcome. I lamented that I had recently been noticing some classmates of mine were doing directed studies and getting lab experience which was setting them up for very technical co-op positions during the summer.

“Is that what you want for yourself?” She asked.

“Well maybe,” I mumbled, “I think I would enjoy lab work for a summer but I don’t imagine myself actually working as a scientist. I would probably be more successful in a role that focuses on what is being done with science. Perhaps public policy?”

“Then don’t compete with the folks focused on lab work,” she raised an eyebrow. “Do something that sets you apart and makes you uniquely prepared for the work you imagine yourself doing.”

So I did. And fortunately, UVic offered public administration as fully-online classes without any lectures or exams. You just did the reading and wrote your papers and that was it. Super easy to integrate into a 4-course plus 20-hours a week part time job schedule. This was pre-pandemic so the idea of taking a class remotely still had some modicum of novel charm. The classes themselves were not quite to my taste. If government structure and policy is boring then the academic analysis of government structure and policy is catastrophically boring. But this was all part of the plan, so I did the readings and wrote the papers and by the time I found myself standing in a suit and tie at the lobby of the fancy new BC Ministry of Agriculture building, I knew I could explain (using sophisticated jargon) how my education and experience would benefit the program I applied for.

A silver lining

Little did I know that I wouldn’t step foot in that building again until I was handing in my government laptop and headset in late August. This was because the whole world went into lockdown that spring and my co-op position with AGRI took place in my bedroom. Best-laid plans, they say. Some setbacks can be viewed as opportunities, however, and for me at least the pandemic held a silver lining. Since many students chose not to enroll in fall 2020 courses due to the virtual mandate, I was betting that I had better-than-normal odds of getting those competitive co-op jobs.

The dream job

This gamble paid dividends when, while cruising the UVic co-op job portal for new listings, I saw a posting for a gig with DFO. The holy grail: a federal government organization with a budget for scientific research and teams dedicated to taking the results of that research into the field to implement them. I had a biochem midterm coming up, but prep for that was fading into memory as I immediately began my application. I scoured my job history for relevant experience and whispered a thank-you under my breath to my co-op coordinator who had recently suggested improvements to my resume. I paused for a moment before clicking “submit application.” Was it good enough? Should I go back and expand on my admittedly meagre “public engagement experience?” No. I couldn’t know if my application was good enough but I had nothing left to do but to trust my plan and take the plunge.

I haven’t applied for a job since because I’m still doing that job today. It isn’t a co-op anymore – I’m on a 2-year contract with DFO and I’ve moved to Nanaimo to work at the Pacific Biological Station now that I’m done my undergrad. My work is quite varied and I get to be involved in policy engagement, app design, performance management, staff training tracking, and (get this) co-op interviews and hiring processes. My team is full of fun and caring people and I’m given a surprising amount of autonomy in how I want to run my projects.

Looking back at my co-op journey, it’s hard to calculate what specific choices or events enabled this outcome. I think more than any individual action it was my persistence and faith in my plan that made it happen. And luck. After all, what if my power had gone out in that $6 per night hotel in Pokhara?

Shy’s Co-op Journey

What is your academic program?

I am doing a combined major of Biology and Psychology

Where did you work?

My first coop was an 8-month co-op at the Summerland Research and Development Centre in the Okanagan. I started in the summer of 2021 working in the development of new cherry varieties, and in the fall worked in the development of new apple varieties, called the fruit tree breeding program. We bred a bunch of varieties and sorted out the ones that we wanted to get rid of so eventually down the road you have one or two that go onto market. So basically, we were just creating new fruit trees! It was pretty cool because you got to eat so many cherries and apples, almost too much!

Currently I am working at the Pacific Forestry Centre in Victoria studying bark beetle ecology. Our main goal is to see how climate change affects their lifestyle and habits. Will climate change cause explosions in populations or will it kill them off? In this role I have been involved in many different projects so it’s not just one main job. So both my roles have been very different from each other!

 Why did you join co-op?

The main reason I joined co-op is to gain some hands-on experience. I don’t think university really prepares you for what is out there so I think Co-op takes that extra step to provide you jobs so you can actually get out into the workforce. I think I also joined for the networking, lab skills, and to see what kind of jobs are out there, because I had no idea where I wanted to go in my career.

 Has co-op met your expectations?

My two co-ops have been great so far and I have had great work crews and haven’t had a bad experience. I have also made great contacts which are my references currently and I think they would help me get a job in the future! I don’t know where I would be without my co-ops!

What have been your favourite aspects of your co-op experiences?

My favourite thing about co-op is going in knowing nothing about the job at all, like both my coops I didn’t have much experience. But coming out knowing so much more about the subjects that a class could have taught me. I didn’t take entomology going into a job about bark beetles. But now I know so much about the beetles and their anatomy. It’s crazy how much knowledge two months can give you. Learning about all the techniques, procedures, methods so I think that is my favourite thing about coop; going in, coming out, feeling like you know so much about the field.

What does professionalism mean to you and has your concept of professionalism changed through your co-op experiences?

These coop jobs have been different because they are very scientific, and I have worked for the government so there is a level of authority and you are representing so much more than just you. So I think my thoughts on professionalism have changed. It has become more important for me to act professional, because you are representing you but also your department and the government of BC as well.

Do you have any advice for future co-op students?

Definitely apply for as many as you can! Even if you don’t think you are qualified, do it anyway. I have had lots of interviews where I discovered I was not qualified for the job based on the questions they asked me but even if you bomb an interview, it’s a great learning experience.

During the job, learn as much as you can, ask as many questions are you possible can. This experience is for you so if you go in there and don’t want to learn anything, there isn’t a point in doing it. Go in there and build your toolbox for the future!

Samantha’s co-op journey

What is your academic program?

I’m in the joint Math and Stats and Computer Science program

Where did you work?

I’ve done two 8-month co-ops. The first one was Ocean Networks Canada. I did a lot of programming, it was during COVID-19, so it was all remote. I helped develop a dashboard but started off with a bunch of little projects, fixing bugs or code here.

I am working right now at British Columbia Investment Management Corporation and I am a software engineer. Here I help support apps that BCI uses. I help with app configuration, user requests, and optimization projects on the side.

 Why did you join co-op?

I actually took a long time deciding about co-op. I heard good things about it and everyone who did it recommended it. But then I also talked to other people that said they were going to get jobs anyway and didn’t want to take extra time during school. So I took a long time to decide whether I wanted to do it or not.

What ultimately made me decide to do it was that I took a part-time job outside of school (my first job) and I realized the value of work and I wanted to do more work relevant to my degree. I think I have gotten everything out of co-op that I thought. I have obtained relevant work experience which was the main point.

What have been your favourite aspects of your co-op experiences?

I think co-ops have helped me see what I am interested in and see more what my natural skills are. I enjoyed the software programming position quite a lot. But I have learned in the position I am in now that I like technical things, but I need more of a human aspect, which I probably would not have found by myself until I got a full-time job.

Do you have any advice for future co-op students?

In the first few weeks, just show your keenness. They don’t know you so if you show that you are keen and positive and are someone easy to work with, this is your first impression and that can go a long way. You also end up holding yourself to a higher standard because you introduced yourself that way, so you want to keep it up.

Lilli’s co-op journey

What is your academic program?

I am in the Biology program

Where did you work?

Working with Canadian Wildlife Service and Environment and Climate Change Canada as a Wildlife Technician doing bird surveys in the boreal forest of Saskatchewan and the southern grasslands of Alberta. There I was essentially just counting birds and that was super fun.

I am working right now as an educator and animal care assistant at a marine education centre on the Sunshine coast. I take care of a wide range of marine animals, and I teach kids about marine biology.

 Why did you join co-op?

I joined in the first place to get work experience. I was in my third year and thought I should probably get some experience

How did co-op meet your expectations?

I wouldn’t have known where to get these jobs so it has helped me find these jobs and also know what is out there. I am way better at writing a resume and cover letter now and have gotten to do a couple of different jobs which are nice to try different stuff.

What have been your favourite aspects of your co-op experiences?

All of my field work was the best experience ever! It confirmed that conservation research is the route I want to take. Up in the boreal forest having tons of wildlife encounters with bears, wolves, and moose was super cool.

My current job has been awesome as well being able to work hands-on with a bunch of different animals. I get to feed every single anemone by hand! But yea all the hands-on work has been my favourite.

Do you have any advice for future co-op students?

Apply to tons of jobs, be open-minded with your new job. I know with pretty much every coop I have done, going into the interview I thought that I would never take this job if offered and always ended up accepting. I never thought I would move to Saskatchewan in a million years, and I am so glad I did.

So, apply to things that you might not expect yourself to enjoy. For the four-month coops, it might be daunting to move away for four months but you can literally do anything for four months, it is really not that long

Anna-Maria’s co-op journey

What is your academic program?

I am in the Microbiology program

Where did you work?

For my first job I was a research assistant helping one of Dr. Choy’s PhD students working on genome editing of human cells so I was doing a lot of cell culture, solo work in the lab and a bit of data analysis working with genetic software. So I was helping her with her PhD while also having my own small project on the side which involved optimizing primers.

The job that I am currently working is as a vet assistant at the Cat Clinic which is brand new for me because I have dogs and have never worked with cats before. Definitely a steep learning curve at first because I don’t have a veterinary background but it has been great. I have been able to do a lot of scribing and monitoring during surgery, assisting in explaining diagnoses to clients, helping fill medications, assisting in preparing the surgery suite..

 Why did you join co-op?

I didn’t have a great idea of what I wanted to do after I graduated so I was looking to gain some experience in the field that I was studying; see if I could explore jobs that were interesting to me and could help me figure out a path after I was done my undergrad. Although I don’t have a decision made, it has helped me rule some things out and encouraged me to try some other things.

How did co-op meet your expectations?

It definitely has met my expectations as it has helped me learn what I like and what I don’t like and encourage me to look into some options that I hadn’t necessarily thought of before.

What have been your favourite aspects of your co-op experiences?

One thing that I took away from working in the lab was just generally gaining confidence in the lab. In my first year of undergrad labs I was very shy and it was very nerve-wracking for me.

 After going through a four month coop of working in the lab everyday, a lot of those skills get hammered home and now I am able to go back on campus and my labs are going so much more smoothly, I know what questions to ask, you know where to get good articles from etc. Once you apply what you learn in first year it really gets solidified.

For the cat clinic coop, I have really liked getting exposed to the medical/veterinary field which not a lot of people get a chance to see as an undergrad. So that has been very nice, going from working in a three-person lab to a big crew so I have gained some people skills.

Do you have any advice for future co-op students?

When applying for jobs, don’t limit yourself, apply for jobs outside of Victoria, it is part of the coop experience and it is a period of growth when you move away for a period of time to do your work term. In the first couple of weeks just make sure you are asking questions.

You will be learning lots of new things in the first couple of weeks and getting used to the people you are working with. So reaching out to people that you are working with and asking them about their experience and what you can do to progress and grow goes a long way.

By the end of your work term you can then try to go past the expectations laid out for you and that’s when other opportunities crop up. For me, I was able to stay in the lab and keep working as a work-study student.

Allysha’s co-op journey

What is your academic program?

I am in the Biochemistry program

Where did you work?

I have done two 8-month coop terms. My first was with Agropur Canada and it was mostly a microbiology-based coop. I ran quality control on dairy products made in the plant.

The job that I am currently working is at Zymeworks which is a biotech company. I test a bunch of targeted drug therapies for cancer and a lot of in vitro assays and that sort of thing, so very industry-based. I actually got a Research Associate position offered to me after the coop is over, so I am hoping to take some time off and then start again soon after I graduate.

 Why did you join co-op?

I didn’t know what my career path was going to be. I had ideas going into school of what I wanted but I wasn’t convinced because I didn’t know what kind of jobs were available to me with the degree I was going into.

Coop was a way for me to see what else was out there and try out different jobs because the last job I had and the one I currently have are quite different. Also, science and biochem is a very competitive market and lots of students have a very similar background if they don’t do coop. Therefore, having something to set you apart is very important. It definitely did meet my expectations.

How did co-op meet your expectations?

I have learned a lot about what I wanted and what I didn’t want. I think that is very important, especially when you are still in school. It is better to know that before you graduate so you aren’t left as a graduate trying to figure it out.

What have been your favourite aspects of your co-op experiences?

Overall, I think what I love about coop is that you meet a ton of different people.

You get to learn from people from so many different backgrounds and they all have advice and stories that they can share with you that can help you as you go through university.

What does professionalism mean to you and has your concept of professionalism changed through your co-op experiences?

If you are showing up and asking questions and have a willingness to learn then you can across as being a professional because you are interested in what they are showing you. You don’t need to know everything; you just need to show that you are able to learn and ask the questions.

Do you have any advice for future co-op students?

While searching for jobs, don’t be discouraged. There are a lot of jobs out there. If you are not getting the jobs you want in the first couple of months, you just have to stick it out and hope you get something that you find interesting.

I think also something that is really important for coops is that you learn what you don’t want. Whether it be the job itself or the type of environment, you learn a lot about not only the good but the bad.

I think it is important to stick with the job and ask lots of questions. I think I was hesitant to ask questions at the start because I didn’t want to sound underqualified. I wanted to sound like I was equal to everyone else, but they know that it is a learning experience so be curious!

Overall, don’t be discouraged if you don’t get the dream job for your first coop because that opportunity will lead to the next opportunity. Your next term might be even more interesting which is what I found.

Claire’s co-op journey

Claire’s co-op journey

What is your academic program?

I am in the Microbiology program

Where did you work?

The co-op I am in right now, which is my final one, is in the Boraston lab at UVic under the supervision of Dr. Joanne Hobbs and I am looking at the genes responsible for antibiotic resistance in Staphylococcus aureus.

My first co-op was at Agriculture and Agrifood Canada in Saskatoon, SK. My project there was looking at the functional groups in wax in the leaves of canola plants.

My previous co-op was an 8-month co-op at the BC Cancer Centre in Victoria and I was in the Histology Lab there. So that was more immunology focused, working with human tissue and trying to develop immune-fluorescent staining protocols for different types of tissue.

histology image

 Why did you join co-op?

Part of the reason why I originally joined co-op was because both my parents did co-op and they had really good things to say about it and they thought it really helped them get jobs in science. I thought it was a unique way to get job experience in my field; because it is quite hard to get into a lab without having co-op and I really wanted to have that experience.

How did co-op meet your expectations?

I have loved all the jobs I have had, and been given a lot of responsibilities and freedoms and done some really cool stuff in all my various positions so it has met my expectations.

What have been your favourite aspects of your co-op experiences?

I really really loved the team I worked with in Saskatoon, I met some great friends. It was a very good work environment, and they gave me lots of freedom and responsibility. They gave me this project and I had to read papers and figure out what experiments I wanted to do; I kind of had complete control, which was a really unique experience, especially for someone who was only in second year.

I really love the job I am doing right now; it is exactly the job I want to be doing which is working with pathogenic bacteria. My boss invited me to keep working with her over the summer, so it is really rewarding knowing that the work you are doing is being valued. And working at BC Cancer is obviously a very prestigious place to work.

Especially in the Histology lab, you are being sent real patient samples and you have to develop the staining plan and stain them. So knowing what you are doing is going straight to someone’s hands and they are going to use that data to help themselves, that was really cool.

What does professionalism mean to you and has your concept of professionalism changed through your co-op experiences?

All of my labs have been quite different but the sense of community in all the labs I have worked in has been a big thing. Communication, understanding each other, getting along and having a good flow to the work environment has been just as important as the work you are putting out.

Do you have any advice for future co-op students?

My advice for people applying, especially for your first couple co-ops, is not to limit yourself to staying in Victoria. I know everyone wants to stay in Victoria but I found success in my first one by being willing to move somewhere else. And you might have a really great experience too because I had a really fun summer!

Try to apply for things that do not necessarily sound like your dream job but you will probably still learn a lot from them, and then you can make your second or third co-op your dream job. For your first one, just get some experience under your belt.

For the first couple weeks of the job I would say just make sure you ask a lot of questions, be really engaged. Be curious about what you are doing and the background of it as well as the future goals of the project. Make sure you are eager to put in extra work, take initiative, go above and beyond the work you are tasked with. Make that good impression!

Student to worker – a reflection

Student to worker – a reflection

 

I wanted to take a moment to reflect on the points raised by the UVic Science Alumni Advisory Board at last night’s meet the board event.

Don’t compare your achievements to others.

In school, you are surrounded by peers going through the same course work. But when you start working, you meet new people from different backgrounds and with diverse experiences.

After I graduated, I had friends who were in med school, friends starting their own businesses, and friends who were making double what I was. I wanted to be able to feel the same sense of achievement as I thought these friends felt. But what was making me feel unsatisfied with my own achievements?

I was comparing myself on a scale that was not meant for me.

As a student, grades made it easy to know if I was doing well. But after graduation, there’s no universal quantifiable scale for measuring success, and I was comparing apples to oranges, chalk to cheese. Once I understood that, the next step was to feel sure of myself without making comparisons.

Define your own success.

At what point should you consider yourself successful? How do you even approach this question? How can you know what you will want 10 years from now? I realized that success is different at every stage of life. It’s a constant re-evaluation.

I decided to define my current success as doing something that I am good at and something I am passionate about.

This helped me feel more satisfied. Because now all I had to do was to be good at my job, and maybe do something on the side, like continuing with volunteer work.

Then, a couple of weeks ago, I was rewarded with positive feedback from my manager after a challenging year. I have learned so much this year, and now I am left with feeling relief and satisfaction — relief from having felt so terrible about myself at times along my career path, and satisfaction with being good at something.

Try not to see your career as linear.

During the panel discussion, it was asked: “Do you think you’ve made the right choice with your career?”

I don’t think I have made the right choice, as this would mean that there was only ever a single correct path for my career to follow.

The idea of the right career, the one job that you find right after school and settle down into, has made so many unhappy. If there’s anything I learned over the past decade, it’s that you can’t start out limiting your choices, and expect life to turn out.

I was doing an undegraduate internship that to my great surprise, didn’t turn into a full-time position. I was left without a job right in at the end of my degree. I remember being powerfully miserable. But a few weeks later, I found the job that led to my graduate postion.

Back to that non-linear career path

winding path through the woodsThere is just so much in the world, so much available. The need to find the “right choice” is something that we no longer need in 2022. We have so many options that we have the privilege of experimenting with in our career. That’s the most exciting thing about career.

Today I am in co-op, yesterday (not literally) I was in the lab, and tomorrow I may be running my own company, the point being: I have options and it’s never the end of the world if the first job I choose does not end up working out.

I have been out of school for more than a decade now, and it took years to feel like I was finally able to see clearly. I am still working on my way to my own success and I hope this post inspires you to do the same!

Disclaimer: I have presented a lot of personal opinions here and in doing so, I do not intend to represent anyone else or any organizations that I am affiliated with. This is purely a personal reflection.

 

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