Using “Icebreakers” in Legal Learning

I was asked by Patricia Cochran, Director of Legal Process, to write a short memo about the use of “Icebreakers” in Law 106, our orientation course that is required for all 1L students at UVicLaw.  I am including the memo below in the spirit of sharing.  It is not “project pedagogy” in the sense envisioned by the creators of this site; that is, it is not really about using projects to evaluate law.  But, it is asking us to think creatively and with intention about the choices we make in the law school classroom.  And, it is offering up some imaginings of why that might take on a different kind of importance at this moment, as students come back to school virtually, and in a pandemic.

As with all dimensions of project pedagogy, this memo is offered as a piece in a broader conversation about the choices we make when teaching law, including things that work as well as things that don’t work, and importantly, what we learn in both situations.  Hopefully, this will lead to more sharing about “icebreakers” and other ways that we connect our students to each other, to us and importantly to their learning.

Special thanks to friends who responded through #LawTwitter with examples of things they have tried in their classrooms.  The thread is included below.

Gillian Calder
August 2020

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What are Icebreakers?

The first days are the hardest days…
– The Grateful Dead

Icebreakers are “short activities, often at the beginning of courses, tutorials, and meetings, that provide an opportunity for students to engage with the instructors, TAs and one another.”[1]  There are various forms of icebreakers ranging from a simple question to a detailed exercise with objectives and outcomes.  In online settings, the use of icebreakers increases in importance as it is a means to promote “social presence”[2] with the goal of connectedness between the students and the professor, the students and each other, and the students and the materials.

It will not be surprising to anyone that students who feel more connected to their learning, will tend to do better.[3] In an online context “increased personal interaction within the framework of the course, either with the instructor or with student peers, positively affects student learning.”[4] The quality of those interactions, however, and the connection to the course, leads to better outcomes. Where things have shifted for us is that a course that is designed with building community as one of its core objectives is now being offered virtually.  Finding ways to enhance a positive experience for our students through exercises, like icebreakers, will pave the way for engagement on more challenging forms of pedagogy, and foster trust in the choices being made by the instructors and others in the room.

What we do in Legal Process this year will by necessity be different.[5]  How we set the tone.  How we are welcoming.  How we address their differences, in social and geographical location.  And how we address the trauma that they, we and the planet are living with and through.  Icebreakers are thus an important way to do some of the very important connecting work, with attention to equity, diversity and inclusion, and if we do them well, with care and humour. Small ways to ready them for the hard questions Legal Process poses, and the different kind of work they will walk into when the course concludes.

Senthorun Raj writes, “If law seeks to engage with human experiences of inequality and abandonment, then law students need to be able to “hear” stories in a way that does not presume that the ideal (legal) listener to such stories is emotionally indifferent nor does it presume law is a rational frame in which these stories can be told.”[6] Part of the work in Legal Process is meeting them where they are at; laying the groundwork for the challenging, emotional, and intellectually rigorous work that lies ahead.

This memo offers some suggestions for how using small exercises, like icebreakers, is an accessible way to do that.

Icebreakers in Legal Education

The literature on icebreakers point to the many benefits of short, carefully designed activities as part of synchronous learning in an online course.  The benefits include: as a means to reduce anxiety; fostering interaction between educators and learners, and between learners and each other; laying the groundwork for the importance of experiential learning as integral to their law degrees; bringing care into the equation; and starting to build relationships.[7]  Or simply, it can help them to feel that even though they are not here, they are not alone.[8] It is clear that a well-designed and executed icebreaker can set the tone, early on, that instructors are interested in their students and in the classroom as an engaged place of learning, even and especially in a virtual world. However, the literature on icebreakers in legal education also raises the question of whether these exercises are too elementary or trivial for use in a professional program.

The answer to that question “is it juvenile or helpful?” depends, of course, on the type of exercise chosen, and its execution.  The literature also points, however, to less patience from students on “get-to-know-you” type exercises in their required courses, and more interest in icebreakers that are tied to the learning at hand.[9]

In Legal Process, where one of the most important goals of the course is creation of community, but where we will not be in the same room this year, icebreakers take on a different kind of importance.  Our time in small groups is less than in previous years, which will make some of us anxious to get to the “substantive” learning.  It will be important, nonetheless, to include a few icebreakers in the course to ensure that we are not skipping over the important work of them getting to know us, us getting to know them, and the connection that can grow as a result both within our small groups, but also to the material.

What Icebreakers are Best?

The literature on icebreakers is mixed, lots of examples of different kinds of small exercises to meet the different goals of a law school class (and indeed of all sorts of places of learning).  For example, in a blog post, Lynn Su and Anne Goldstein, professors in the first year legal skills programming at New York Law School, have designed a set of exercises that employ interviewing and presentation skills; and advocate for their use as a way to start the process of developing their skills in a legal research and writing context.[10]  These include icebreakers like interviewing a partner and introducing them to the group, or dividing into law firms, and describing their firm strengths to each other.  As well they have other exercises that require a bit more set up like interviewing a hypothetical client; or dramatizing a case; and exercises tied to other learning objectives such as mindfulness.  Thinking carefully about the icebreakers we choose and the goals of Legal Process, specifically, will be important.

  1. Posing a question

The most common form of icebreaker in legal education is posing a question to the students (and instructors should always answer as well); a way of enabling the diversity of the students’ interests and backgrounds to emerge without creating the stress of more formal means of introduction.

Some questions that have worked in Legal Process in the past include:[11]

Tell a story about a place that is really important to you.
Tell a story about your name.
Tell a story about a favourite popular culture moment (favourite book, movie, tv show, etc.)
What is the best thing/exercise you have ever done in a classroom as a teacher or as a learner?

These have been effective over the years because they are wide open enough to enable students to only reveal what they comfortable revealing, given the various levels of comfort that students will have with these forms of exercises, but at the same time they can offer ways that students begin to connect with each other, and ways for instructors to begin to connect as well.  As trust builds throughout Legal Process and we model that these exercises are not just “fluff” but integral to the course, they become even more effective.

UVic Law graduate students Dr. Qian Liu and Caroline Grady shared that they found these to be very effective in the introduction to law course that they facilitated with Professor John Borrows at UVic Law in the summer of 2020.  They added:

What is your dream vacation?

There are lots of examples online,[12] things to think about before posing a question as an icebreaker are: will it put students on the spot?  Will it be too revelatory, or create the kind of environment that will have the students competing with each other?  Does it risk evoking a memory of trauma or of loss?

These can work “popcorn style”, going around in a circle or some other linear way, or by sending participants into break out rooms to do in smaller groups.

  1. Crowd Sourced

I asked a question on Twitter (August 22, 2020) to see what folks would say was the best “icebreaker” they have tried in a law school classroom.  With thanks to everyone that responded — the (delightful) thread is here: https://twitter.com/gilliancalder/status/1297182089796882432?s=20

Examples:

Share a boring fact about yourself.
What’s the best piece of advice you’ve ever received?
What’s your karaoke song?
What is your favourite word (any language, any reason)?
What rock star would you choose to be reincarnated as?  (All sorts of variations on this one)
With a partner (or small group) find something that they have in common that has nothing to do with school.  And then have them introduce each other to the room.
Share a little known fact about yourself.
What do you love?
Pair/share and introduction as an exercise in careful thinking and respect
Have instructors tell their stories

This small thread also highlights the risks in icebreakers, and the context of the law school classroom. Thanks #LawTwitter.

  1. Table topics[13]

Similar to posing a question, this is a question that is designed to start a conversation; and can be used less as a go around the circle to learn about each other, and more of a way to get students talking or taking up a particular issue (pair/share, breakout room).  This could be a standalone question like:

What has surprised you most about this course so far?
Which of the authors that you read for today would you most want to invite to a dinner party?
Is there such a thing as perfect?

It could also be an exercise like the one described in the Instructor’s Manual that used to be used to introduce “Social Ordering” and that is designed to be facilitated by the instructors:

Consider this fact scenario.  You are the principal in a small engineering firm.  You have a partner and have been working for 12 years together.  You finally have the resources and the energy to hire a new associate.  You advertise and end up with two equally qualified, young candidates.  One is female-identified and one is male-identified.  You suspect that the female candidate, who has shared that she recently married, may be pregnant. 

What factors do you consider when making your decision about who to hire?

As the students start to offer some thoughts work with their suggestions.  Which ones are legal?  What legal regimes do we have to understand to answer that question?  Human rights law?  Anti-discrimination law?  Maternity and parental leave regimes under EI law?  What other factors are relevant and why?  What kinds of assumptions are at play?  About gender?  About parenting?  How are economic factors relevant?  What about the context – an engineering firm – are employers under obligations given the history of engineering in Canada to hire more women?  Again, the focus here is not to come to an “answer” but to show how in any given context there are various legal, quasi-legal, and non-legal forces at play.

Sending students into breakout rooms so they can use the whiteboards there for these kinds of table topics might be another short way to get the creative juices going and to foster their connections to each other.

    1. Interviews and Introductions

A very common icebreaker is to break students into groups of 2 or 3, to have them interview each other and then introduce their partner to the group.  This can be lovely, it can also be disastrous, as the questions tend to focus on things tied to formal notions of success.

Another version is to have students write a “tweet” introducing themselves (140 characters or less).  They will then have time to see all the tweets of their classmates.[14]

  1. Games

One of our most successful “Icebreakers” has been Barnga – or “The Card Game” which has been used to introduce the idea of law and its sources, through a game involving a deck of cards, a set of rules, a “twist” that eliminates the students’ ability to communicate with each other through oral or written language, and a mandate to “get to table 5.”  Games are very hard to do without everyone being in the room, but can be very effective ways for students to engage in an accessible way with concepts of their learning that are otherwise hard to get at except through reading.

The authors of “The Card Game” are looking to see whether they can design an online version.  In the meantime I found a couple of articles about using games in the law school classroom, perhaps for future use: “We’ve Got Game” and Open Law Lab (can’t vouch for either of these).

Another “game” is “Two Truths and a Lie” which was also a suggestion made in respose to the #LawTwitter question posed above.  In this game, each person produces three statements about themselves, two truthful and one that is not.  The group votes (polling on Zoom could be used for the voting) on which they think is true and which is not.  Risky, yes.  Fun, no doubt.  Lots of learning between students.

  1. Learning Styles

Another idea is to have students take a learning style questionnaire and then to take up the outcomes in a discussion with attention to resources.  VARK has been a reliable questionnaire for legal learning in the past.

  1. Homework/Geography

An effective icebreaker can be one that is set up the day before.  It eliminates the “on the spot” anxiety of some of these exercises and can also facilitate more engaged or careful answers by the students.  One example is the “Pulling the Weeds” exercise, described by Suzanne Lenon, Kara Granzow and Emily Kirbyson on the #ReconciliationSyllabus website.

I have used a west coast version of this exercise at the outset of my Sex-O seminar; by giving the students pages from Nancy Turner’s book, Saanich Ethnobotany https://shop.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/product/saanich-ethnobotany/ and then asking them, as Lenon et al, do, to go out into their neighbourhoods to see if they can find their assigned plant.  This could be adapted to bring to the fore that students are throughout the country (and some outside the country) in doing this exercise.  They then have to answer a set of questions which we take up at the outset of class:

“Pulling the Weeds” Assignment[15]

This assignment begins our course by asking us to think about the relationship between law, land, location and identity.

You have each chosen one photocopied page from Nancy J.  Turner and Richard J. Hebda, Saanich Ethnobotany (Victoria: Royal BC Museum, 2012).

Before next class, please see if you can locate your chosen plant in the locations that you live, work, study, learn.   Please do the following four things:

  1. Mark up your handout with what you have done to find your plant, or any other reflections that you have in response to the text;
  2. Document your interaction with your plant (what did you do when you found it; or if you didn’t find it, what you found instead);
  3. Answer the reflective questions below (drawn from Lenon, Granzow, Kirbyson) or adapt.
  4. Bring something to class (specify date) to share from your experience.


Reflective Questions

  1. Describe the experiences of seeking out the plant that you chose;
  2. Describe the sensory elements of engaging with your plant (how did the soil smell, what was the texture of the plant, were there birds chatting nearby, etc.);
  3. Where did you find your plant? Whose land were you on?
  4. What is your relationship to the place where you found your plant?
  5. What discomfort did you experience in engaging with your plant or this exercise?
  6. What is the relationship between your plant, the land where you found it and this course? Why did I ask you to do this?
  7. What connections do you draw between this exercise and the readings you have done for today’s class (or readings from last week)?

I anticipate that this could be a very good Icebreaker for situating everyone in the class geographically.

Some concluding thoughts

The mechanics of icebreakers will depend on time.  If you do pose a question and give space for each person in the room to answer you must be willing to let that take the time that it does, which is never time wasted, but can take a while.  Alternatively, using Zoom to send students into break out rooms can decrease anxiety and save time, but as instructors we will miss out on access to some of what happens in those spaces.

Remember that polling is also a feature of Zoom that is available to us and can be an effective, confidential, and quick way to get some answers on questions.

Keeping things simple and light-hearted will help to address the anxiety that many students will have both about these kinds of exercises, but about being in law school and about being in law school in a pandemic.  But doing an icebreaker that you can return to at another moment, will enable the students to get an even stronger sense of the integrity of this course.

Be creative.  Our students have all spent many years in formal education and already many years at University. They have run companies, organized summer camps, been in therapy, parent and been parented. They will have done icebreakers before and most will not like them.  Up to us to use them creatively, innovatively, but most importantly, to advance the goals of the course and enhance their learning.

Finally, part of what makes an icebreaker work is that it connects the students to us and to each other in ways that we would not ordinarily get access to.  They are diverse, and not just in terms of race, class, gender and sexual identity. They will have experienced the pandemic very differently.  The come to law school from many different routes.  Legal Process is, in some ways, just one big icebreaker for law school.

In this sense, it is also important for us to think about ways to address the emotion that they will carry with them into our small group sessions. In a recent article on law and emotion, Senthorun Raj wrote, “Foregrouding emotion in the legal classroom generates vulernability and this carries certain opportunities and risks.”[16] I have also written on the role of emotion on teaching and learning law.  In my view, “a different kind of pedagogy is necessary in order to get students to see the connections between what they are learning, to recognize the interconnections to other areas of law, to see a problem for its messiness, to enable them to see that both emotion and cognition significantly impact human decision-making, especially decisions where social and moral questions abide.”[17] Legal Process does this – for law school, and icebreakers can do a small piece of this for Legal Process.

Share what is working.  We are all in this together.

 

 

[1] Icebreakers for Online Classes, Centre for Teaching Excellence, University of Waterloo, https://uwaterloo.ca/centre-for-teaching-excellence/teaching-resources/teaching-tips/teaching-tips-creating-positive-learning-environment/icebreakers-online-classes

[2] Communicating with Students, Centre for Teaching Excellence, University of Waterloo, https://uwaterloo.ca/centre-for-teaching-excellence/teaching-resources/teaching-tips/teaching-tips-creating-positive-learning-environment/communicating-students#social-presence

[3] See discussion in Shanna Smith Jaggars and Di Xu, “How do online course design features influence student performance?” (2016) 95 Computer and Education, pp. 270-284 at 273, https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0360131516300203

[4] Jaggars and Xu, supra at 273, citing R.M. Bernard, et al., A Meta-Analysis of Three Types of Interaction Treatments in Distance Education, https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.3102/0034654309333844.

[5] Legal Process (Law 106) is a mandatory, two week, intensive course taken by all 1L students at UVicLaw since the founding of the law school.  Its objective include building community, explore the idea that people are agents with respect to law, introducing a variety of legal skills, and developing the capacity of students to ask a broader range of questions about law. It also takes students out of the classroom and into other spaces (including up a mountain and onto the streets of downtown Victoria) where law lives as part of how we introduce and decentre law’s significance.

[6] Senthorun Raj, (2020) “Teaching feeling; bringing emotion into the law school” https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/03069400.2020.1781456 at 3 citing Jill Stauffer.

[7] Sandra Simpson, Gonzaga University, School of Law, Icebreakers in Law School: Juvenile or Helpful? Institute for Law Teaching and Learning http://lawteaching.org/2016/08/31/icebreakers-in-law-school-juvenile-or-helpful/

[8] Elizabeth Stuttard, Building Online Community, http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art52363.asp.

[9] Simpson, supra.

[10] Lynn Su and Anne Goldstein, Getting them at Hello: Creative Teaching Techniques and Exercises to Engage New Law Students, Teach Law Better, https://teachlawbetter.com/2018/06/11/getting-them-at-hello-creative-teaching-techniques-and-exercises-to-engage-new-law-students/

[11] For a discussion of icebreakers used in Legal Process – see the Legal Process Instructors Manual.  Archived to the Law 106 BrightSpace, and available upon request.

[12] Gilly Salmon, E-tivities: The Key to Online Learning (Routledge Falmer, 2002) https://laulima.hawaii.edu/access/content/group/fb8c10fd-5445-420b-0034-bad118df6196/TeachingResources/InnovativeGettingToKnowYouActivities.pdf; https://www.gillysalmon.com/e-tivities.html; https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/65-icebreaker-questions-for-online-meetings

[13] Valeria Symonds, 21 Free Fun IceBreakers for Online Teaching, Students & Virtual and Remote Teams, https://symondsresearch.com/icebreakers-for-online-teaching/

[14] Let’s Twitter! https://sites.google.com/site/adultonlineteachingstrategies/virtualicebreakers/let-s-twitter—not-done

[15]             Assignment inspired, with thanks, by the work of Suzanne Lenon, Kara Granzow and Emily Kirbyson: https://reconciliationsyllabus.wordpress.com/2017/08/23/pulling-the-weeds-by-suzanne-lenon-kara-granzow-emily-kirbyson/

[16] Senthorun Raj, (2020) “Teaching feeling; bringing emotion into the law school” https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/03069400.2020.1781456 at 10.

[17] Gillian Calder, “‘Whose Body is this?’ On the role of emotion in teaching and learning law” in Susan Bandes, Jody Madeira, Kathryn Temple, and Emily Kidd White, eds., The Edward Elgar Research Handbook on Law and Emotions (forthcoming 2021), https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3673491 at 12.

 

Curating Expressions of Law

In the post below, Lorinda Fraser, who curated the University of Victoria’s 2019 IdeaFest Gallery Exhibition, reflects on the experience of ‘curating’ expressions of law.

Upon beginning this project, I was asked to provide an overview of what curating ‘is’ and how it ‘is done’. I was flummoxed and more than just a little embarrassed in front of my academically-trained colleagues. There is, you see, no one way to curate any more than there is one way to create. Each exhibition is as unique as each piece of art.

Spaces come in all sizes, offer lighting opportunities and challenges, contain their own smells, and hold other numinous qualities that add or take away from that which they contain. The intention of the curator, the institution, and the artists themselves all meld into multi-faceted messages that are then interpreted through the lens of each visitors’ personal history and experiences. Every work of art is read through these filters and is influenced by them.

Thus, in curating the 2019 Ideafest exhibition “Reimagining justice: Art, law and social change” there was no prescribed method for considering each of these components while allowing for an exploration and presentation of notions of legal justice and pedagogy.

The artworks were initially reduced simply for being those left with the instructors for whom they were created. Were these pieces best left forgotten by their makers or deemed a gift to a valued mentor? Could works submitted with explanatory essay components breach the gap between law student and exhibition viewer? Would pieces function physically within the confines of our chosen space, let alone as a cohesive collection?

Discussion occurred among the group as to what criteria should be used to define the quality of such works. These were created by students of law, not the arts. We questioned whether skill lay within the physical process of creation or demonstrable pedagogical development, and how much one informed the other.

While some pieces could not be displayed safely, others relied too heavily on interpretive dialogue between student and instructor. Some did not lend themselves well to an exhibit that allowed only brief, transient viewing during the other Ideafest events scheduled within the room. The ideas in the pieces selected needed to be explicit and readily accessible, though no less thought provoking.

For the most part, the works we had to choose from were ideally suited to such display. In the act of creation, students were posed or formulated a research question. They were to investigate and examine the relevant areas of law, contemplate the implications of possible answers to their question, and express their results in the format they felt was most suitable. These were, predominantly, works with a clear purpose and a well-considered message that they were meant to convey and articulate.

(Click here for Exhibition Catalogue)

This made for a vast array of available artworks in almost every form of media imaginable. They were, ultimately, a pleasure to display. Some pieces worked together to create juxtaposing narratives that countered the prevailing hegemonic activities that typically play out within a ‘moot courtroom’. Though now re-named the Dispute Resolution Room, the space still contains a judge’s bench, a witness box with Bible and Quran, and is overlooked by the seal of the common law, all of which is enacted upon unceded territory. (How the space works upon the bodies in the room has been eloquently articulated elsewhere within the Ideafest week of presentations and other supporting blog posts.)

One of the prevailing goals of the exhibition was to counter that narrative explicitly while evoking thoughtful contemplation and even dialogue between viewers. Dream catchers were hung on microphones intended to amplify voices of authority. A listening booth was set up within the witness box so that new points of view could be given a voice, expressed through music and spoken word. Books, albums, and other forms of student writing replaced the law books that typically adorn a judge’s bench. Board games that allowed visitors to ‘play out’ new lives—games of chance and consequences—were made accessible at a games table. While other objects were placed together simply because their physical attributes complemented each other and created a balanced narrative—whether visual, pedagogical, or both—among the topics addressed by students.

Upon reflection, the curating process for the exhibition, as unformulatic as it was, seemed almost too easy. The moot courtroom lent itself well to an exhibition space. The elevated judge’s bench provided visual interest. Built-in white boards served to frame the artworks hung upon them. The natural materials of the surfaces were reflected in neutral table cloths and unfinished wooden display props. This seeming neutrality, in an arguably non-neutral room, allowed the works to take centre stage and to activate the space in which they had been displayed. Furthermore, explicit expressions of law were clearly articulated by numerous highly skilled and insightful students—the future voices responsible for creating our ever-changing laws and new, more equitable forms of social justice.

Lorinda Fraser

Reimagining Justice: Art, Law, and Social Change – The Gallery Walk

By Gillian Calder and Rebecca Johnson

IdeaFest is the University of Victoria’s annual research festival, showcasing the ideas of faculty, students and staff from across the University. This year, there were a number of events involving the Law School community.   One was “Reimagining Justice: Art, Law and Social Change”.

This event involved a series of talks during the week about Law and Theatre, Law and Dance, Law and the Arts, and the Arts as Pedagogy.  As part of this event, for the duration of the week, the UVic law moot court room was transformed into an interactive art installation showcasing the relationship between art, law and social justice.  The room was filled with creative projects that had been handed in  as part of the course work in classes such as Criminal Law, Business Associations, Family Law, Constitutional Law, and Sexual Orientation and the Law.  The project curated by Lorinda Fraser (MSc in Museum Studies). Click here for a link to the Exhibition Catalogue, which lists the students whose work was featured.

DSC_0803.JPGOn the final day of the event, we held a “Gallery Walk” where three of the professors who had been involved (Professors Gillian Calder, Rebecca Johnson and Sara Ramshaw) spoke in more detail about the specific projects that were in the room, to open space for conversations about things that might be learned through producing, evaluating, and interacting with arts-based methods in the context of a law school. What follows below is a transcript of that gallery walk, along with some images to capture the sense of the exhibition.

THE GALLERY WALK – MARCH 8, 2019

Rebecca Johnson (RJ): We would like to begin by acknowledging with respect the Lekwungen-speaking peoples on whose traditional territory the University stands and the Songhees, Esquimalt and WSÁNEĆ peoples whose historical relationships with the land continue to this day. One of the gifts of making such acknowledgements is that they remind us to take the opportunity to learn how we, as uninvited guests in these beautiful territories, can learn to live in ways that are lawful for the Coast Salish world. We are happy to have you here for our Gallery Walk for IdeaFest. This is Professor Gillian Calder, I am Rebecca Johnson, and this is Professor Sara Ramshaw. We have been working with Lorinda Fraser, one of our own, who has recently completed her Masters in Museum Studies. She worked with us to curate a sampling of projects that have been handed in for classes in our law school over a number of years.

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Restructuring the Dispute Resolution Room

Gillian Calder (GC): Part of what we have been thinking and talking about is how evaluation and iterative learning are done at law school. How do we bring deep learning to our students in the kinds of assignments that they have the opportunity to do?  How much of who students are is formed by what they go on to do?  How much of law involves creativity, imagination and empathy?  How do we train those skills?  What teachers have always done is to find opportunities with students, when they are doing assignments or in their exams in their courses, to answer questions in ways that the questions demand.

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A papier-mâché latern to illuminate law?

Most commonly in law, that is done through written answers, essays, and exams. But sometimes the question can be best answered by drawing on some other form. What you have in the room is a sampling of some of those. What we are going to do is walk around a bit and talk about some of these projects. We will not be able to give you the exact question each student was asked for each project, but what you should know is that there are projects in this room from Criminal Law, Business Associations, Family Law, Sexual Orientation and the Law, Directed Reading Classes and others. The questions that the students were answering through these projects were often the same questions answered by other students through more conventional forms; and so some students answered through papers, and some through projects. Some of these projects were evaluated on a pass/fail basis, and others based on letter grade.  Some of these projects were worth 10% of the final grade, others were worth 30%, and yet others represent the entirety of a student’s work in the course. That is why these projects are very different in scope and in size. We are going to walk around and talk with you about various projects. We invite you to ask questions, and to interrogate us about our experiences as teachers.  To ask us how we hold a paper and a project side by side. To ask us more about the learning we have needed to do in order to feel able evaluate these different kinds of engagements.

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The view from the judges bench

RJ: These projects will also let us discuss what we have learned in the process of engaging with work that raises expectations different from those we had for more conventional work. And as with all gallery tours, we will cluster in front of something and there will be chairs for people who want to sit, and for people who can get down on the floor and somehow get back up, then feel free to sit there as we move around. So let us start.

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Foraging for tea. Does law have a fragrance?

GC:  Some of the projects are rooted in the textual. On the judges’ bench at the front, for example, there is some non-conventional written work that has been handed in. Poetry books. Scrapbooks.  Photo albums.  A poem that has been published in a law journal (the poem was handed in as an exam in Federalism in Law in December and was just published). There are some examples like that around. Some of the pieces are purely visual.  You will see art on the walls around you.   There are videos playing on the screen on the wall.  There is also an mp3 player in the witness box, so you can sit there with headphones on and listen to songs that students have written and performed.

RJ:  Perhaps we can start with games as a genre since we are already gathered at this table.

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Goal? To adopt a child before window of possibility closes.

GC: This table displays 4 different game categories. I will talk briefly about the game on the far end. This was a game handed in for family law, for 40% of the mark. The question the students were asked to respond to was “How does law regulate your understanding of the family?” with the option given to answer the question in whatever format was best.  This student wanted to write about obstacles that exist to gay men adopting in Canada notwithstanding that there are no formal barriers, in law, to same-sex partners, or single gay folk adopting. So he created that game that demonstrates that even though law is inclusive, there remain many barriers.  So you play the game and the goal is for you and your partner to get to the end where you adopt a baby. But you have to cross identity barriers and financial barriers and other kinds of barriers to get there.  When you play the game you feel it in your body. You understand obstacles by playing the game that you would not understand in the same sense by just reading about them. It is fun to engage with the game but you never lose sight of the fact that this is a real struggle; the project makes the argument that homophobia exists in many of our practices around how we create families in Canada, even with the shifts in Family Law. It was a stunning project and often when I  am encouraging students to think about doing projects, I bring out this game for them to play to give them a sense of what some possibilities might be for them. It is one of the best ways that an essay question has ever been answered in Family Law.

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An Alternative “Board Game Cafe?”

RJ: In terms of game tables you can see there are different kinds of games and different forms of engagement. Part of the work with games and students is beginning to think of how creating the rules of the game and learning how to change the rules as you go along can provide a space for learning questions about not only how you engage with a concept but how you think about teaching people you work with, people in families — how to see structural and systemic patterns. And also how to think about the difference between collaborative games, and competitive games and history games. The genre of gaming can help work through different kinds of challenges. And different forms of games. Sometimes students work with the structures that they already know. Taking something like The Settlers of Catan, for those of you who have played that game, and then modifying the game to think about the place of economy and settlement. So there are games that draw on that form. There are games that are card games that similarly draw on traditions of card games.  The projects help us think differently about the place of adaptation and creativity and modifying that which has come before. Like what it means to draw up the resources of things that you have and then modify them, adapt them and move them forward.  The card game on the table, for example, draws on the structure of a game called Zombie Fight or Flight (developed by professor Sharon Sutherland) and then the project explored the kinds of modifications that would make it work in the context of economic re-imaginaries. The work is in working on the relationship between an established game and a new form.

 

 

Marking a game by making one’s kids play?

RJ:  I note here that if you look at the video monitor in the room, you will see a rotation of photos capturing additional projects that are not in the room.  Included there is a photo of me playing a game with a friend and our young boys. That photo leads me to echo some of what Gillian said about difference between looking at a game and playing a game. One of the challenges for marking a game as a project is that games are often most pleasurable when one knows its rules and is able to play creatively within the structure of the game. So sometimes from a marking perspective, it is interesting that it is often quicker to mark a paper than a project, particularly if the project is a game. But a game teaches you other things. One game will go by on the monitor at some point, a simple game with basic tools.  But its magic was in the playing.  In the photo, you see me and friend Stacy, harnessing our young boys to the work of ‘evaluation’: the four of us tried to play this game that involved a continually re-working of the rules themselves (with each round, the group had to first decide what rules of governance or decision-making would apply). We adults watched our young teens invent new rules, like, if you didn’t say, “All hail the king!” at the beginning of your turn, you lost points. Realizing the randomness that came through the playing was part of the pleasure of the game.

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Modified Gameboards

You can see other game-engagements on the table, including this one, a modification of a Monopoly Board with a written paper on the bottom of the board, talking about the history of Monopoly or Anti-Monopoly. So you could see again people taking up games and actively shoving them or pushing them to be not exactly something you would play, but rather something you would use to think through a problem. So, games and gaming is a category of things that students have thought through and played with and learned with.  We have certainly learned much from them in those engagements.

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Objects of Law…

GC: At the next table, we have a series of objects. I am going to talk about this piece which was also a 40% question in a family law project. The question again is how does law regulate our understanding of the family. This project was done by a student, a trans-man, who is the birth mother of his 2 children having given birth to his children before transitioning.  And for his project, he produced this object: a pregnant body.

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The gendered body

There are many stories that circulate around and with this object.  One is that, in his first year of law school, his parents sued him for custody of his children because of this gender identity.  He did this project as an attempt to capture and to document what it is to be at the same time a birth mother and a trans man.  What you see in this project also depends on your position.  Some of you are positioned as if a midwife or doctor, looking up the stirrups. This is the position through which people will first see this object when they come enter this room.

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A Re-working of “Are You My Mother?”

The project also includes a book, which is part of the argument.  Here, he begins with P.D. Eastman’s classic book, Are You My Mother?, but he has changed the book to play with the notion of the gender binary.  In this way, he raises questions about what it is to be someone’s mother. And what was amazing is that after he did the project, there was a time at the law school where there was some concern raised in the student body about our ability to change our bathrooms to be gender inclusive.

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How are different bodies supported in space?

And our student took the opportunity to remind those of us with cisgender privilege about what it means, every day, to carry that privilege.  He talked about his experience, as a man, in the changing room at his local pool, with his children calling him mom.  The object and its stories flowed out in ways that were transformative; modelling how creativity in law enables unique engagement on some of law’s most pressing issues.

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An archive of gendered items

GC: Next is a Museum Box project.  This one was a final project in Sexual Orientation and the Law, which students affectionately call Sex-O. It comes with a guide to the museum box of items and what appears to be a tape recorded story of this student coming back to the school in 2057 to discover the challenges of gender and trans-identity being a museum item.  That is, the box is full of objects once central to gender binaries, objects that no longer function as anything but artifacts of a time past.  In this way, the museum box has captured the idea that we might be able to live in a different world. We have here the idea of transformation captured in different forms. Both the trans-man and the Museum Box projects push the boundaries of different kinds of questions. Both projects draw from personal experience of the students and I can say that I have felt very shaped by both projects.

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The Matryousha Doll — Layers of the Economy

RJ: The next two objects on this table were handed in for a Business Associations Class. Both projects were an engagement with JK Gibson-Graham’s book, Take Back the Economy. The book was assigned reading for the course, and students were asked to use the book as a launching point to explore the contours of the economic imaginary — wondering how one might creatively re-imagine business and its challenges. The book explores markets, property, finance internationalization, subjectivity and economic rationality.  One person engaged with the book by making a Matryoshka. You can see the person has taken an 8-piece matryoshka doll, and has repurposed it.  It has been painted over, and each nested doll has been papered with texts or images to represent a different layer of our economic universe.  The first layers takes us to selected provisions of the Business Corporations Act, and then picks down through layers, taking up work, finance, international economic flows, commodities, networks, human relations,  and then there is a little bit of copulation and reproduction going on down here at the bottom of the matryoshka, and finally moving down to the centre, the final black box, which contains a secret scroll which presumably holds a clue to the ultimate answer. Of course, it is a single question mark. One of the things that was interesting about this project is this student was very concerned or worried about the requirement for words at all times. His argument was, we should be able to stand without words and so he handed in this project with no textual support. Usually in my classes, for this kind of work, the argument to the student from me is, it is not about the product you produce, it is about the process. So you can have a product that completely fails to do what the student imagined it would do, that comes in conjunction with textual support or a paper that talks about what they learned in the process of attempting something that didn’t work. So the goal is really on having the process problems being central to the work, not so much the object itself.  But this object came with no additional text.  This student actively made the decision to deny me access to any text beyond the object.  [insert big smile here].  In short, his argument was simply, “Here it is.  You figure out what to make of it.”  It was interesting, starting to have this idea of, what is it to mark, evaluate, or simply engage with a project where no words are offered to you?  So from this project, I learned so much.  It required me to think about what assumptions I was bringing to the interpretation of each of these layers. This opened me up to the idea of lawyering is precisely this, that we don’t often have the guide that tells us how we are to interact with the various layers we can pull apart, and that the project pulls itself up, pun intended to these many levels.

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labour and creativity in work

RJ:  The next object is a pair of beaded feathers.  It also came with textual support: a paper where the  student talked about learning how to bead a feather and what additional things she was learning in the doing. She beaded two feathers, and used the occasion to explore both Indigenous law and teachings, and challenges around the commodification of (women’s) labour in a global economy. So she chose to work on the first feather only after she had already completed a 12-hour day of work. And then, she monitored the amount of work, the time, the felt experience of doing the work.  For the second feather, she did the beading on a day where she had cleared everything else off her plate.  She worked at her own pace with her own imaginative tools to produce the feather. Then she reflected on the actual cost of materials and the question of value. And of what consumers are prepared to pay for these pieces. The two feathers are objects of beauty.  I note that the paper also engaged with the question of feathers, and which ones she could (choose to) use or not use.  This opened up space for an engagement with Indigenous law and pedagogy.  All of that was layered in the feather beading project. She explained what she learn from working with the importance of the feather as a sign of law itself. So in some of these projects, when you look at them, there are pieces of text that accompany them, that not only  explain the work, but take up the processes through which a person learns through engagement with a project.

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A Mask, and memories of teachings

GC: We could take the whole time just talking about this next table of objects.  You can see as you look that there is a question about whether the piece you create makes the argument in and of itself. Not all of them have to be accompanied by something that explains it. And that is part of the assignment; part of how we are training students to be legal advocates. If it doesn’t stand alone, then maybe you should have chosen a different medium in order to make your argument. It is not just about doing art. It is about choosing the right medium for your message. This mask, for example, was accompanied with a text of teachings that the student who is Metis had given for her niece.  One part of the project was this mask conveying the effects of family law on a Metis person. The other part of the project was a teaching that was tape recorded, and then given given to the student’s niece. So I don’t have that piece of the project. So some of these objects are partial works, partial works of incredible work.

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The hidden costs of fast fashion

RJ: The next object is a modified dress.  This dress is an example of something that might make its argument through performance. The dress came in a lovely bag with tissue around it, leaving me to perform the pleasures of unwrapping a beautiful new dress. It included the tag at the underarm of the dress, suggesting it had been marked down to only $3.00.   There was also a booklet (with a barcode on the front) asking how much discount fashion was worth. The reverse side of the booklet tells you the actual cost of the dress: 12 hours of labour and $65 worth of materials.  It also invites you to turn the dress inside out to see the hidden costs of the fast fashion industry.  There, you encounter a mass of tags, each of which speaks to the hidden costs, including the production of super weeds, the cost of suicide, poorly made clothing, increasing anxiety and depression, temporary labour, it goes on and on with all of the hidden costs. On the inside of the booklet are reproductions of the tags, along with footnotes to where the person found citations about these ideas. You should absolutely go closer and take a look underneath. Seriously.  Take the dress and turn the skirt up and you will see what are the hidden costs of fast fashion.  So here you see the argument being explained and performed in a fashion that nicely matches the work, though certainly everything here is something people already know. But there is the act of  pulling a dress up out of a bag and turning it inside out to see its hidden costs that punches the argument, that makes it hard to unsee once a person has seen it.

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An argument in the form of adornment

Our curator also paired the dress with a second project: the necklace you see on the mannequin.   She thought it worth putting the two projects into conversation.  It is a necklace called The Golden Cage.  It is a piece of jewelry, with the flowers of the community garden trying to emerge  but being constrained by the shell of the structure that impedes movement. The student was grappling with the challenge of whether we make change with individual action or whether individual actions are inadequate to help us untangle the structures that hold us in the same place. So again, performing that kind of tension of the argument in the piece of jewellery itself is a project.

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Painting the argument

GC: One other category that we have is visual arts.   You can see three projects here on the board: one in family law, one in constitutional law and one in business associations.  All three paintings are asking different questions. Again, there are stories behind each one, and each merits a long conversation.  Let me chose the middle painting.  This was was a 10% assignment in Constitutional Law where the students were asked to go to a community event (it could be a talk at the law school or something at home) and then write about how they saw the Canadian Constitution reflected in that event. How could they draw a connection between the event in their community and Canadian Constitutional Law?

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A painting as a reminder of ceremony

This student did a painting about a disconnect in her life as an Iranian person living in Canada, participating in a traditional ceremony.  The painting was accompanied by food, and some writing.  The three items together were the means through which to not only engage with the constitutional questions that exist for immigrants to Canada, but to document and overcome some of the similar challenges of being at law school.

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Lawyers on Stage, and the Coffee-Pod Tower

GC: Let me add that, in my courses, when students turn to the visual, or to popular culture for a project, I require them to engage with literature on the image and law, or popular culture and law, in order to be able to justify why they are using any particular form to make the argument. And I will say briefly, I am not an artist. I cannot paint myself out of a bag.  But it is possible to develop the ability to evaluate the work of others at translating an argument into another form.   It is a challenge to develop the courage and ability to evaluate a different kind of work, to measure it  against something that I can more easily mark (like a thesis or a 40 page paper with footnotes). So, that has been a learning journey about how to offer critical feedback.  In the process of doing this project pedagogy event this week, I have gone back to some of the comments I offered the students when I originally handed back their work. It is interesting for me to have some distance to see my ability to offer them critical feedback. Not every project in this room got a great mark out of 100 because not all of them achieved their goals. But at the same time I know that the projects included a different form of learning, and for many of these students, deep learning.

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Family photos

Sara Ramshaw (SR): This is also a project by an Canadian-Iranian student, this time for Family Law. We take for granted the idea of adoption as being a joyous occasion. Judges often say that adoption ceremonies are the most/only pleasurable thing about Family Law. In Iranian culture, though, there is a stigma against adoption, as it marks the inability to give birth to one’s own children. The student was trying to portray this. If I remember correctly,  her sister and brother-in-law were visiting her and they had a child who had been adopted. She had them act out the various struggles, anguish and joy that comes with International adoption to create a photo essay, which included a brochure evidencing her research and bibliography.

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The project as it arrived, wrapped in paper

RJ: On the visuals, let me just a point over to this corner for a moment, where you see a painting covered with brown paper. This project arrived totally wrapped in brown paper.  It also arrived with a pair of scissors in an envelop, and the dare (written on the brown paper) to see if I was brave enough to “break down the blinders”. I was left with the question about how to open the project.  What was I to do with the scissors?

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Blinders partially removed

This brown paper seemed a piece of the work, itself. But the question was, do I have the ability to break down the blinders and the courage and the ingenuity to emerge and reveal what is behind it?   So I did start with the question, what would I cut out? How would I do the cut?  I cut out four different sections of the wheel/pie, before I finally I couldn’t stand the suspense (or the cutting!) and I took one side of the paper off so I could see this beautiful haunting work that is behind it.

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The image behind the paper

I was left with many questions.  At what point do I make the whole thing visible? Do I cover it back up for other viewers to take off their blinders? What is the relationship between me and those who come after. So when we put this up in the gallery, I placed the brown paper with the outer cover folded down so that the painting can be revealed.  Almost everyday the week, I walk into the space and see that someone has been worried that it has fallen down and then has placed it back up.  I do love seeing which way people think the paper should lie (or even if they try to look beneath.  It raises the question.  What  is the relationship that is going on between art/projects and ourselves?  When do we think it is done? How does art invite us to interact with it? Is looking behind the brown paper cheating? I worried about that. Is that kind of cheating to be celebrated as a pleasurable act? And offered to others?

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Listening to the music of law…

SR: In the witness box we are invited to listen to student compositions and songs relating to a particular legal issue. I have two Family Law examples here. One is entitled “The Music of Change: The Shifting Face of Marriage”. It is a piano composition, and the student explains what the movements meant to him. Even though I work with improvising musicians, I would not have known exactly what was going on and so I needed this explanation as to the choice of notes and how it related to this particular project. It was written in 3 movements. The liner notes provide the context and research.  Another project for Family Law was called “ReDesign”, again explaining the changing face of marriage. This particular student wrote the lyrics and music to a song played on the guitar and wanted to remain anonymous because they weren’t happy with their singing voice. So I have taken out the attribution of this, but I think the lyrics speak for themselves. Rebecca, do you want to speak to the Business Associations music projects?

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collaborative exploration of socially responsible investing

RJ: Sure.  One thing to note is that projects often involve collaboration.  For one of the musical projects in this exhibition, four students worked together to create an album of songs with lyrics that would show what it would look like if you imagined a sole proprietor, what it would look like if you imagined working in a partnership, or in a coop or in a corporation. So they are trying to musically map out four versions of the song that met what they would be thinking about in terms of the structure.  They also worked together through different instruments to produce the four songs.  In their small reflection that accompanied the music, they spoke about what it meant to have the space where they worked as people who had prior musical backgrounds together to try to produce something as a group. So the work of music? You can listen to it. Occupy the witness box. Think about what it means to witness through music, to listen to these tapes. But then to think again about what it means to have something we write down and enscribe and it exists in performance and it exists in collaboration. So there is so much learning for the students and for us as we are thinking about what it means to think about law through music, not only through the lens of intellectual property, but also through the lens of performance and law.

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Law built up through small stitches?

GC: Our curator, Lorinda Fraser, made some conscious choices about how to transform this Dispute Resolution Room, so that what happens here makes us think differently about how we engage with law. This room looks very much like a courtroom. So, to have the person in the witness box have the head phones on and be listening — that is an interesting transformation about what we usually think about when we have people in the witness box. As well, I have had music turned into me in classes and when people explain the music or explain the movements, one thing I have appreciated is their efforts to try to do it within the genre of what they are doing. For example, a student handed in album liner notes, including the textual, but in a way that fit wit the medium.

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Stitiching old & new laws into re-engagment?

I would also say that one of the challenges of doing this work has been expectations of people or judgements in some ways that giving people the chance to do a project is a really easy “A”.   You know, “hand in a cake to Professor Calder and you will get an A.” There are people that believe projects are simple, or that they do not involve research work.  Certainly, it is easy to tell in a paper if the person hasn’t done the depth of research that they needed to do to make the argument or consider the argument. But this is also true for projects.   It is a challenge to think about how to measure some of these things across different formats.  Some of these projects are extraordinarily elaborate.  But with a paper, we might limit a student to, for instance, no more than 10 pages; we say, “you are going to lose five marks for every page over the limit”.  What kinds of limits, then, do we imagine for projects, to limit what they require of both students, and teachers?  There are programmatic questions one might ask about how are we seeing the connections between different ways of answering questions, and enabling people to do this kind of work.

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Different resource books for judges?

RJ: The difference between worrying about the evaluation component and worrying about the deep learning component is a concern. They might not always match up. People have talked about this in academia for many years. Where to put our energy?

Let us talk about the judges’ bench since we are so close to it. At the front where the judges would ordinarily be sitting we have a variety of books to think about what resources, what texts judges might draw on as they think about justice and judgement.IMG_20181217_132139 At one corner we have placed 4 different book projects.  One is a brightly coloured paper bag book: the  student stapled together paper bags and then produced a book engaging with the economy. Each of the paper bags has in it a pull-out, handout, and each of these responds to the questions that were raised in the assigned book for the course.  Each page provides another way to tell the story of the economy and how it might look different.  There is yet another book at the front you may wish to explore: a small coil bound book of poetry. It contains preambular and definitions sections, as well as poems for different forms of business.  As you might imagine, the poems for partnership come out in the form of couplets. And the poem for the sole proprietor folds out to extend beyond the range of the pages, marking how that form is unbounded by any formal choices. They can go on as long as they want. There are poems for Corporations, and for Cooperatives, along with poetic discussion of such things as font choices.

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words and images to re-frame the economies of farming

Some times, students hand in books with the feel of a coffee-table book, or a photo essay.  Here is one by a student who engaged with their own family farm to think about what they learned through a series of photo commentary. You will also see a Trans-Zine (submitted in Criminal Law), done by the same student who did the trans-man project we began with.   The books capture multiple forms – children’s books, colouring books, found object books. You will see many forms in which the book can be thought of as a resource for other people: books as resources.

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writing across the genres

SR:  Another project from Family Law is a play script by one of the students who also acted in this year’s Lawyers on Stage Theatre production of Treasure Island. Basically, the student looked at the changing ideas of family and gender diversity at three points in time: 1970, 2015 and 2050. She was working towards the time in the future where diversity in family forms and gender identity would be taken for granted. We also have a children’s book. The narrative is quite simple, but the student did a lot of research around law and children’s literature, especially Des Manderson’s work, about how literature teaches children law and norms from an early age. In this book, she not only performs how law is taught to children, but theorizes it in her performance. And another is a short story called “The Prenuptial Agreement”. The genre taught me so much more about what the issues are in relation to the prenuptial agreement that the student was trying to work through.  One of the works that is not here is an epic poem written about a case of which many of you may know, a blood transfusion case of a Jehovah’s Witness child. I have read this case and ones like it many times. This particular student wrote about it from the perspective of the child and put it into poetic verse. By the end I was bawling my eyes out. The poem brought so much more insight to this case than I could ever imagine, because it made me feel it in my body, as did “The Prenuptial Agreement” — I could physically feel the dilemmas. Thus, I am learning as much from the projects as the students are.

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Two-Spirit engagements with law

GC: There is a full sized figure that was handed in for Sexual Orientation class. It is the creation of an Indigenous student who has a partner who is is a trans-man. The figure represents the various ways she is living the life of a two-spirited person. Both the front and the back are meant to be seen and draws on different notions of what it means to be present in such a body. I have this figure in my office. I take it with me to presentations where I am talking to others of my colleagues about the transformative role projects can play in the teaching and learning of law. Teachers from the art school were just enamoured by this work.  The figure is presented as looking out the window of this room so that everyone who is passing by and looks through that window can see her.

GC:  Thank you for your questions. We love your intimate engagement. Thanks to those who have done work in this room this week: to Sara whose energy has been extra-ordinary; to Lorinda for her curatorial eye; to all of the students whose bravery has taken up these genres, paper writing and projects.

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Dancing in Collaboration with witnesses

SR: I would like to add one thing about bravery.  I want to speak about law student Kristen Lewis’s dance performance, which has been caught on the screen behind you. Talk about brave. Kristen danced her Family Law assignment in front of her family law class.  Danced.  In front of her fellow students who didn’t quite know how to take a performance like this. As the backdrop to her dance, she had Bikers Against Child Abuse come to the class and stand at the front of the class with their faces against the blackboard for 20 minutes. And she also produced explanations about her performance on paper. Kristen is here today. Would you like to say something about your experience, Kristen?

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Bikers Against Child Abuse deepen the dance

Kristen Lewis (the Dancer): I will say that just the opportunity to do something other than just write a paper helps me to understand how Family Law impacts children. And it helped me to understand how Family Law impacts my own body. I believe this will make me, as a Family Law lawyer, able to see some new possibilities for others. When I read child protection cases, I noticed the gestures that would come up in my body as I read them. In my first year of law school, when I started to get sad as I read cases, I would just compartmentalize the work. When it came to family law, I would just get very sad. I would take 5 minutes to cry and then go back to the case and read again. So instead of pathologizing my emotional reactions to the cases I decided that I would use body gestures to amplify the reactions I have to the material in the cases. And that helped me get stronger. It is not like I want to be able to handle some of the things that the body is not built to handle: the horror of these cases. To be able to handle those things would become problematic. But dancing gave me the strength so that instead of being numb or just crying on the floor, I could practise having this fluid movement with my body that would let me see a lot more into family law cases. I don’t think that end product would have been possible without the dance. Nor even going down to Starbucks late at night to meet Bikers against Child Abuse and that actual interaction with the people there is really what law is made out of. So I loved the opportunity for this project and feel grateful to Sara Ramshaw and also grateful for all the people in the law school who make this theorizing this kind of thing possible. We aren’t shunned. So to have a theoretical basis and an understanding of this work, it makes me glad that I choose UVic for a law school.

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‘Tabling’ some questions

RJ:  In closing, let us say again, that we have  been nourished by the work we have seen today and we too, are so grateful for the context of a law school that makes it possible for us to do this without us being seen as radical or on the edge, but just as part of the work of thinking about pedagogy.  Thank you for joining us.